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From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu> Hey all, Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands. http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page. Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. Definitely worth a look. Olivier ---------------- Olivier Doré olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov +(1) 626 375 6347 _______________________________________________ Obscos mailing list Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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jamie tolan

22 Apr 22 Apr

3:15 p.m.

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Hi All, For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47… Randol Begin forwarded message: *From: *"Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov> *Subject: **[Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides* *Date: *April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT *To: *ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu> Hey all, Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands. http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page. Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. Definitely worth a look. Olivier ---------------- Olivier Doré olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov +(1) 626 375 6347 _______________________________________________ Obscos mailing list Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos _______________________________________________ Bicep2-list mailing list Bicep2-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu https://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/bicep2-list

Denis Barkats

3:22 p.m.

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ? ******************************************************************* Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467 6273 Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile ******************************************************************* On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

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Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4… Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. -Jamie On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu> wrote: Hi All, For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47… Randol Begin forwarded message:

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John Kovac

4:37 p.m.

I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

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Chris Sheehy

5:11 p.m.

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Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction from the

2% bicep region in that full sky ?

******************************************************************* Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467 6273 Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile ******************************************************************* On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote: > Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting: > >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu> wrote: > Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the note

below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov> >>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >>> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >>> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu> >>> >>> Hey all, >>> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I particularly

enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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John Kovac

5:22 p.m.

Looks right to me. So...average looks like around 5%, with significant parts of the field higher than that but not > 10%. Can you overlay the same on slide 5 (I_353)? Reward offered: for the first to construct 353 p*I in our field from "public" Planck data. On 4/22/13 5:11 PM, Chris Sheehy wrote:

...

Hi, I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does this look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be. -Chris On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote: I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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John Kovac

6:23 p.m.

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

*******************************************************************

Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467

6273 > Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 > Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 > Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice > Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile

*******************************************************************

> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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Chris Sheehy

6:33 p.m.

...

Attached. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:

...

3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/**PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_** Introduction_to_Planck_and_**its_Products/47ESLAB_April_02_** 2013_12_00_Tristram.pdf<http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/S… actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? On 4/22/13 5:22 PM, John Kovac wrote:

Hi, I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does this look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be. -Chris On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.**edu <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu>>> wrote: I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

***********************************************************************

Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467

6273 > Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 > Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 > Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice > Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile

***********************************************************************

> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/**PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_** Galactic_Science/47ESLAB_**April_04_11_25_Bernard.pdf<http://www.rssd.es…

> Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/**PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_** Data_Processing/47ESLAB_April_**04_10_30_Aumont.pdf<http://www.rssd.esa.…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.**nasa.gov <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.**edu <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu>>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.**php?project=PLANCK&page=47_**

ESLAB <http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB>

>> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont.

>> Definitely worth a look. >> Olivier >> >> ---------------- >> Olivier Doré >> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.**

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Denis Barkats

6:38 p.m.

If you are to believe these maps, it seems like the left part of the map ( in this projection) is much more contaminated ( has a larger average polarized intensity) than the right part of the map. I wonder if you are able to do a pseudo jackknife where we generate the auto and cross spectra for the left part of the map and right part of the map and see if you see a significant difference. ******************************************************************* Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467 6273 Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile ******************************************************************* On Apr 22, 2013, at 18:33, Chris Sheehy wrote:

...

3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl… actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? Attached. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu> wrote: 3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl… actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? On 4/22/13 5:22 PM, John Kovac wrote: Looks right to me. So...average looks like around 5%, with significant parts of the field higher than that but not > 10%. Can you overlay the same on slide 5 (I_353)? Reward offered: for the first to construct 353 p*I in our field from "public" Planck data. On 4/22/13 5:11 PM, Chris Sheehy wrote: Hi, I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does this look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be. -Chris On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote: I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

*******************************************************************

Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 467

6273 > Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 6101 > Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 0050 > Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice > Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile

*******************************************************************

> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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Brian Keating

6:42 p.m.

a second, more Tegmarkian-step, would be to say that QUAD/BICEP1's measurement of ~1% fractional polarization within 2 deg of the galactic plane at 150 and 220 ghz could be used to calibrate the colorscales... we could at least take a stab at what we might see quantitatively…. -Brian __________________________________ Brian G. Keating Associate Professor of Physics Center for Astrophysics & Space Sciences University of California, San Diego (UCSD) 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla, CA 92093-0424 Web: http://physics.ucsd.edu/~bkeating/ Group: http://cosmology.ucsd.edu/ On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Denis Barkats <dbarkats(a)alma.cl> wrote:

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

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> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting: >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4… >

>> Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. >

>> -Jamie >

>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote: >> Hi All, >

>> For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular: >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47… >

>> Randol >

>> Begin forwarded message: >

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>> >>

>>> Hey all, >>> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>

>>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>

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Chao-Lin Kuo

6:43 p.m.

Top left/Lower right looks better than Lower left/Top right, presumably due to larger polarization fraction (magnetic field) associated with the radio spurs. Chao-Lin ----- Original Message -----

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

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> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin > <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see > the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" >>> <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the >> very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, >> you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. >>> Definitely worth a look. >>> Olivier >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Olivier Doré >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov >>> <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

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Jamie Bock

23 Apr 23 Apr

2:46 a.m.

It doesnt appear by the way that we are located in the lowest polarized intensity region on the sky. Jamie From: bicep2-list-bounces(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu [mailto:bicep2-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Sheehy Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:34 PM To: John Kovac Cc: Denis Barkats; bicep2-list; Randol Aikin Subject: Re: [Bicep2-list] Planck ESLAB slides 3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pla nck_and_its_Products/47ESLAB_April_02_2013_12_00_Tristram.pdf actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? Image removed by sender. Attached. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu> wrote: 3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pla nck_and_its_Products/47ESLAB_April_02_2013_12_00_Tristram.pdf actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? On 4/22/13 5:22 PM, John Kovac wrote: Looks right to me. So...average looks like around 5%, with significant parts of the field higher than that but not > 10%. Can you overlay the same on slide 5 (I_353)? Reward offered: for the first to construct 353 p*I in our field from "public" Planck data. On 4/22/13 5:11 PM, Chris Sheehy wrote: Hi, I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does this look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be. -Chris On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote: I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

...

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...

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6273

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...

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...

> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

...

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

...

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/47 ESLAB_April_04_11_25_Bernard.pdf

...

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>> wrote:

...

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

...

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47E SLAB_April_04_10_30_Aumont.pdf

...

>> Randol

...

>> Begin forwarded message:

...

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

...

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>

...

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

...

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK

<http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB> &page=47_ESLAB

...

>> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

...

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont.

...

>> Definitely worth a look. >> Olivier >> >> ---------------- >> Olivier Doré >> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> >> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347>

<tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Obscos mailing list >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos

...

John Kovac

9:46 a.m.

...

It doesn’t appear by the way that we are located in the lowest polarized intensity region on the sky. Jamie *From:*bicep2-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu [mailto:bicep2-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu] *On Behalf Of *Chris Sheehy *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2013 3:34 PM *To:* John Kovac *Cc:* Denis Barkats; bicep2-list; Randol Aikin *Subject:* Re: [Bicep2-list] Planck ESLAB slides 3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl… actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? Image removed by sender. Attached. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote: 3rd slide here: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl… actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no colorscales. Chris, could you overlay onto that? On 4/22/13 5:22 PM, John Kovac wrote: Looks right to me. So...average looks like around 5%, with significant parts of the field higher than that but not > 10%. Can you overlay the same on slide 5 (I_353)? Reward offered: for the first to construct 353 p*I in our field from "public" Planck data. On 4/22/13 5:11 PM, Chris Sheehy wrote: Hi, I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does this look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be. -Chris On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu> <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>>> wrote: I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out our field boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our field is around average... Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on these various maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? Of course p*I would be even better. John On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote:

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

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> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu> <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>>

>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu> <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont.

>> Definitely worth a look. >> Olivier >> >> ---------------- >> Olivier Doré >> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov

<mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347>

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Chao-Lin Kuo

10:32 a.m.

The map looks qualitatively similar to previous modeling attempts, including the one done by Jamie T about 1 year ago. Let me remind you what he found (Jamie - please comment ) 1) at a given galactic latitude , you want to look in the direction of large scale magnetic field so that there is no projected magnetic vector on the sky. Therefore 0 or 180 deg galactic longitudes are bad - the former is obvious but the latter is less so. The physical reason seems pretty sound. 2) when Jamie produced B-mode spectra for these two regions, he found that near ell~100 the two regions have similar foregrounds, even though at low ell the BICEP region seems to be more contaminated. (Jamie - what is the best plot that shows this?) - here is some more random thoughts 3) #(2) is almost by deign true in the model, because what the model does is to add uniform small scale fluctuations on top of large scale magnetic induced polarization. The latter does not really contaminate ell ~ 100 that much. This conclusion is of course sensitive to windowing etc, otherwise low ell structure can leak into high ell. 4) In real world, small scale turbulence can very well correlate with large scale magnetic field. So I am afraid we will never come to a conclusion on this based on modeling. We need to know whether (2) is true in real data.. Chao-Lin ----- Original Message -----

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction

from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ?

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> On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote:

>> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin > <rwa(a)caltech.edu

<mailto:rwa@caltech.edu> <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>>> wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please > see the

note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

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>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides >> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT >> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu

<mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu> <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>>

>> >> Hey all, >> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the >> very

good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands.

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I

particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, >> you

should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont.

>> Definitely worth a look. >> Olivier >> >> ---------------- >> Olivier Doré >> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov

<mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>

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jamie tolan

11:44 a.m.

Chao-Lin is referring to my posting: http://bicep.caltech.edu/~spuder/keck_analysis_logbook/analysis/20111021_du… 1.) The statement about galactic longitudes of 0 and 180 being bad can most clearly be seen in Figure 1. 2.) In my posting the BICEP field was *less* contaminated for all scales than the a "shifted" field. (see Figure 3). The shifted field was not optimized to be in the lowest emission region, it is just an area we could observe at the same elevation. It seems like it is suffering mostly from a few bright spurs, whereas the BICEP field is cleaner simply because the central area of the mask is in a more uniform region. 3.) The only models that have small scale turbulent fluctuations added in on top of the large scale modeling are the ones labeled 'BSS' and 'LSA' (these are maps downloaded directly from Imperial College) -Jamie On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Chao-Lin Kuo <clkuo(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

...

I think many of us noticed that apparent conclusion, seen most clearly in the overlay Chris put onto the Tristram slide, reattached. There is no colorscale and this needs to be quantified before jumping to conclusions, but naturally a strength of our experiment is that we have flexibility can could choose to expand and adjust our coverage when we are able to do a real data-based foreground optimization. John On 4/23/13 2:46 AM, Jamie Bock wrote: > It doesn’t appear by the way that we are located in the lowest > polarized > intensity region on the sky. > > Jamie > > *From:*bicep2-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu > [mailto:bicep2-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu] *On Behalf Of > *Chris > Sheehy > *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2013 3:34 PM > *To:* John Kovac > *Cc:* Denis Barkats; bicep2-list; Randol Aikin > *Subject:* Re: [Bicep2-list] Planck ESLAB slides > > 3rd slide here: > >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl…

> > actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no > colorscales. > > Chris, could you overlay onto that? > > Image removed by sender. > > Attached. > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John Kovac > <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu > <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > > 3rd slide here: > >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session01_Introduction_to_Pl…

> > actually does show polarized intensity P=p*I, though with no > colorscales. > > Chris, could you overlay onto that? > > > > > On 4/22/13 5:22 PM, John Kovac wrote: > > > Looks right to me. > > So...average looks like around 5%, with significant parts of the > field > higher than that but not > 10%. > > Can you overlay the same on slide 5 (I_353)? > > Reward offered: for the first to construct 353 p*I in our field > from > "public" Planck data. > > > > > > On 4/22/13 5:11 PM, Chris Sheehy wrote: > > Hi, > > I started doing the b2 overlay earlier, so I've got it now. Does > this > look right to people? I don't have a good sense for where the B2 > field > should be. > > -Chris > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, John Kovac > <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu > <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu> > <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jmkovac@cfa.harvard.edu>>> > wrote: > > > I second this request. I've been squinting trying to work out > our > field > boundary, and if I've got it right it looks like p for our > field is > around average... > > Jamie, would you be able to overlay our field boundary on > these > various > maps for a clear illustration, and estimate our mean p? > > Of course p*I would be even better. > > John > > > > > > On 4/22/13 3:22 PM, Denis Barkats wrote: > > Wow, > > can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization > > fraction > from the 2% bicep region in that full sky ? > > > ******************************************************************* > > Denis Barkats Phone: +56 2 > > 467 > 6273 > > Commissioning Scientist Fax: +56 2 467 > > 6101 > > Joint ALMA Office Mobile: +56 9 6216 > > 0050 > <tel:%2B56%209%206216%200050> > > Alonso de Córdova 3107 skype: gyvot_malice > > Vitacura 763-0355, Santiago - Chile > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 15:15, jamie tolan wrote: > > > >> Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting: > >> > >> > >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > >> > >> Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > >> > >> -Jamie > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin > >> <rwa(a)caltech.edu > <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu> > <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu <mailto:rwa@caltech.edu>>> wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> > >> For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please > >> see the > note below from Olivier - this presentation in particular: > >> > >

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

> > >> > >> Randol > >> > >> Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>> From: "Dore, Olivier P (3267)" > >>> <Olivier.P.Dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov > <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov> > <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov > <mailto:Olivier.P.Dore@jpl.nasa.gov>>> > >>> Subject: [Obscos] Planck ESLAB slides > >>> Date: April 21, 2013 12:38:57 PM PDT > >>> To: ObsCos group <obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu > <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu> > <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu > <mailto:obscos@astro.caltech.edu>>> > >>> > >>> Hey all, > >>> Just wanted to point you to the presentations from the > >>> very > good Planck meeting from two weeks ago in The Netherlands. > >>>

http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB

> >>> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I > particularly enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, > Mukhanov, > Freedman and Page. > >>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, > >>> you > should!), I recommend the presentations of Bernard and Aumont. > >>> Definitely worth a look. > >>> Olivier > >>> > >>> ---------------- > >>> Olivier Doré > >>> olivier.p.dore(a)jpl.nasa.gov > <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov> > <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov > <mailto:olivier.p.dore@jpl.nasa.gov>> > >>> +(1) 626 375 6347 <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> > <tel:%2B%281%29%20626%20375%206347> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Obscos mailing list > >>> Obscos(a)astro.caltech.edu > >>> <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu> > <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu <mailto:Obscos@astro.caltech.edu>> > >>> http://astro.caltech.edu:88/mailman/listinfo/obscos > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bicep2-list mailing list > >> Bicep2-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu>> > >> https://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/bicep2-list > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bicep2-list mailing list > >> Bicep2-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu>> > >> https://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/bicep2-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bicep2-list mailing list > > Bicep2-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu > <mailto:Bicep2-list@lists.fas.harvard.edu>> > > https://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/bicep2-list > > > > > -- >

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Sergi R. Hildebrandt

22 Apr 22 Apr

6:17 p.m.

...

I don't have a good sense for where the B2 field should be.

Please, find where the fields are on top of 143 GHz temperature (though). On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Chris Sheehy <csheehy(a)uchicago.edu> wrote:

...

Wow, can you take the slide and derive a mean polarization fraction from the

2% bicep region in that full sky ?

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

> > Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz. > > -Jamie > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Randol Aikin <rwa(a)caltech.edu>

wrote:

> Hi All, > > For those of you not on the Caltech obscos list, please see the note

below from Olivier - this presentation in particular:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session09_Data_Processing/47…

>> Randol

>> Begin forwarded message:

>> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=47_ESLAB >> A lot of good stuff in there. Besides Planck results, I particularly

enjoyed the presentations by Zaldarriaga, Mukhanov, Freedman and Page.

>> Also, if you are interested in dust polarization (if not, you

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Walt Ogburn

3:28 p.m.

jamie tolan <jetolan(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

...

Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4… Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz.

What is the "PSM G factor" in the second slide 6? - Walt

Sergi R. Hildebrandt

4:50 p.m.

A 'geometric depolarization factor'. These results were thought to be submitted by the time of ESLAB. The Planck cosmological results delayed them. This Wednesday/Thursday there is the last revision before submission. I hope they'll be with full details and explanations soon. Sergi On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Walt Ogburn <ogburn(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

...

jamie tolan <jetolan(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz.

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John Kovac

5:03 p.m.

Hi Sergi, The slides show 353 p maps. Will the work that is shortly to be submitted be accompanied by some kind of map release? If not, then I expect we won't be the only ones trying to re-digitize "public" information in map figures. John On 4/22/13 4:50 PM, Sergi R. Hildebrandt wrote:

...

Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_Galactic_Science/4…

Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz.

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Sergi R. Hildebrandt

6:24 p.m.

No data, unfortunately. Data are expected in July 2014. The good news, though, is that that time time streams will be delivered, detector maps, etc ... We are still working on polarization (there is a meeting in Paris about data processing for it yesterday and tomorrow, before the one of these papers). We think this July we will freeze the pipeline. True what you suggest :) Sergi On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:03 PM, John Kovac <jmkovac(a)cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:

...

Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/**PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_** Galactic_Science/47ESLAB_**April_04_11_25_Bernard.pdf<http://www.rssd.es…

Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz.

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Sergi R. Hildebrandt

7:03 p.m.

John, I understand I am not allowed to receive the prize. I missed the bagels last week, now this one .. Too bad! Tomorrow, I'll have the smoothed rotated version, and linear scale. John, suggestions welcome. I am taking a break afetr having worked last days with Jamie for tomorrow's meeting. So that's ok. Cheers On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Sergi R. Hildebrandt <srh(a)caltech.edu>wrote;wrote:

...

Slide 6 in this talk is also interesting:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/**PLANCK/docs/eslab47/Session07_** Galactic_Science/47ESLAB_**April_04_11_25_Bernard.pdf<http://www.rssd.es…

Dust polarization fraction at 353 GHz.