CoHSL-list February 2010

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by Paganelis, George I

Dear all, These changes were news to me too. George ----------------------- George I. Paganelis Curator, Tsakopoulos Hellenic Collection University Library California State University, Sacramento 2000 State University Drive East Sacramento, CA 95819-6039 Ph: (916) 278-4361 * Fax: (916) 278-5917 paganelis(a)csus.edu http://www.library.csus.edu/tsakopoulos

14 years, 2 months

FW: Greek transliteration

by Lesage, Rhea

All, this is the message that I wrote to Bob Hiatt from LC in Dec. 2008. He was in touch at that time asking my feedback on proposed tables, which confused transcription with transliteration. He also brought up the issue of the rough breathing, for which I offered a solution. I bolded the part of the message in which I suggested that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and Modern Greek Studies communities. I never got a reply from him, but it seems that he went ahead and implemented the change that now appears on the LC website. I would like to know if ANYONE heard about these supposed "2009 changes" before yesterday. Please respond to this list! --Rhea From: Lesage, Rhea Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:09 PM To: Lesage, Rhea Subject: FW: Greek transliteration From: Rhea Karabelas Lesage [mailto:karabel@fas.harvard.edu] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:04 PM To: Robert Miller Hiatt Cc: Rhea Karabelas Lesage Subject: Greek transliteration Hi, Bob: Thank you for getting in touch about changes to the Greek tables, and for returning my call to discuss this over the phone. I wanted to give you my feedback and suggestions as a follow-up. First of all, we agree that respecting the "h" for the rough breathing mark that is no longer there, no longer seems to make sense and continues to be an out-dated practice. This system, however archaic as it may seem, is something we all seem to manage--there is a finite group of words that require the rough breathing. If it would help we could compile a list as an addendum to the existing tables. It should also be noted that there are still many modern Greek authors who intentionally write using polytonic Greek (which includes the rough breathing). Whatever decision is made we need to allow for this practice and prescribe how catalogers should handle it. My feedback on proposed tables: * I think teasing out the Ancient and Medieval tables is appropriate, as well as giving Coptic its own table. * The proposed table for Modern Greek (after 1453) appears to be taken from the ISO 843 1997 TR (transcription) and not from the ISO 843 TL (transliteration) table with a couple of exceptions: the I with a macron over it to represent eta and the O with the macron over it to represent omega. While the transcription table does an excellent job representing Greek as it sounds, it would require that the cataloger not just have a basic knowledge of modern Greek, but rather would require a high level of proficiency in the language. Even I, a proficient Greek speaker would need to constantly refer to the tables as I catalog. Of all our peer institutions, my cataloger is the only native Greek speaker. Our goal should be to simplify rather than to complicate. I think we should be thinking more in terms of how to take the existing tables, and work with the person whom I recommended at the University of Crete, Yannis Kosmas, who is confident that he could write a program that would respect the tables as they are now, and could do automated conversion to the roman script from the Greek. Most ILSs are now able to handle the various scripts and are actually cataloging in the vernacular. We are accepting copy but not doing original for the mere fact that the parallel fields will take more time that we cannot spare. If we could import Greek records and then press a button to create parallel transliterated fields this would be ideal. * Absent this possibility, and only if there is *truly* a need to change the table, I would suggest that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and modern Greek studies communities, and determine whether it makes sense to use the ISO 843 1997 TL table (not the TR). This will provide a letter to letter correspondence, for ease of automated reversal, but does not represent how the language sounds. I am not sure how the community would react to this proposal, but my guess is that they may support it if it complies to international standards. For the comparison of the ISO 843 TR and TL tables, I refer you to to Thomas T. Pedersen's transliteration web site, and specifically to his Greek tables where he compares various schemes: http://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Greek.pdf I hope this summarizes what we discussed and please let me know if you have any questions or if we need further discussion. Best wishes, Rhea Rhea K. Lesage Head and Bibliographer for Modern Greek Modern Greek Section Collection Development Department Widener Library Harvard College Library Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)495-3632 FAX (617)496-8704

14 years, 2 months

Re: [Cohsl-list] CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 11

by klg19ster＠gmail.com

This is the first I'm hearing about it. I thought we'd nipped this in the bud back in 2004! Karen Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:58:00 To: <cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu> Subject: CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 11 Send CoHSL-list mailing list submissions to cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/cohsl-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu You can reach the person managing the list at cohsl-list-owner(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoHSL-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Greek transliteration (Oddo, Anthony) 2. Re: FW: Greek transliteration (Harold Mciver Leich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:53:17 -0500 From: "Oddo, Anthony" <anthony.oddo(a)yale.edu> Subject: Re: [Cohsl-list] Greek transliteration To: listserv for the Consortium of Hellenic Studies Librarians <cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu> Cc: "Scott, Alison" <scott3(a)fas.harvard.edu>, "Hazen, Dan" <dchazen(a)fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <0858210CEA871D4698679C52A2EAB1D62675C6406A(a)XVS2-CLUSTER.yu.yale.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi...I never heard of the changes!!!! Tony From: cohsl-list-bounces(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu [mailto:cohsl-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Lesage, Rhea Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:50 AM To: listserv for the Consortium of Hellenic Studies Librarians Cc: Hazen, Dan; Scott, Alison Subject: [Cohsl-list] FW: Greek transliteration All, this is the message that I wrote to Bob Hiatt from LC in Dec. 2008. He was in touch at that time asking my feedback on proposed tables, which confused transcription with transliteration. He also brought up the issue of the rough breathing, for which I offered a solution. I bolded the part of the message in which I suggested that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and Modern Greek Studies communities. I never got a reply from him, but it seems that he went ahead and implemented the change that now appears on the LC website. I would like to know if ANYONE heard about these supposed "2009 changes" before yesterday. Please respond to this list! --Rhea From: Lesage, Rhea Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:09 PM To: Lesage, Rhea Subject: FW: Greek transliteration From: Rhea Karabelas Lesage [mailto:karabel@fas.harvard.edu] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:04 PM To: Robert Miller Hiatt Cc: Rhea Karabelas Lesage Subject: Greek transliteration Hi, Bob: Thank you for getting in touch about changes to the Greek tables, and for returning my call to discuss this over the phone. I wanted to give you my feedback and suggestions as a follow-up. First of all, we agree that respecting the "h" for the rough breathing mark that is no longer there, no longer seems to make sense and continues to be an out-dated practice. This system, however archaic as it may seem, is something we all seem to manage--there is a finite group of words that require the rough breathing. If it would help we could compile a list as an addendum to the existing tables. It should also be noted that there are still many modern Greek authors who intentionally write using polytonic Greek (which includes the rough breathing). Whatever decision is made we need to allow for this practice and prescribe how catalogers should handle it. My feedback on proposed tables: * I think teasing out the Ancient and Medieval tables is appropriate, as well as giving Coptic its own table. * The proposed table for Modern Greek (after 1453) appears to be taken from the ISO 843 1997 TR (transcription) and not from the ISO 843 TL (transliteration) table with a couple of exceptions: the I with a macron over it to represent eta and the O with the macron over it to represent omega. While the transcription table does an excellent job representing Greek as it sounds, it would require that the cataloger not just have a basic knowledge of modern Greek, but rather would require a high level of proficiency in the language. Even I, a proficient Greek speaker would need to constantly refer to the tables as I catalog. Of all our peer institutions, my cataloger is the only native Greek speaker. Our goal should be to simplify rather than to complicate. I think we should be thinking more in terms of how to take the existing tables, and work with the person whom I recommended at the University of Crete, Yannis Kosmas, who is confident that he could write a program that would r espect the tables as they are now, and could do automated conversion to the roman script from the Greek. Most ILSs are now able to handle the various scripts and are actually cataloging in the vernacular. We are accepting copy but not doing original for the mere fact that the parallel fields will take more time that we cannot spare. If we could import Greek records and then press a button to create parallel transliterated fields this would be ideal. * Absent this possibility, and only if there is *truly* a need to change the table, I would suggest that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and modern Greek studies communities, and determine whether it makes sense to use the ISO 843 1997 TL table (not the TR). This will provide a letter to letter correspondence, for ease of automated reversal, but does not represent how the language sounds. I am not sure how the community would react to this proposal, but my guess is that they may support it if it complies to international standards. For the comparison of the ISO 843 TR and TL tables, I refer you to to Thomas T. Pedersen's transliteration web site, and specifically to his Greek tables where he compares various schemes: http://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Greek.pdf I hope this summarizes what we discussed and please let me know if you have any questions or if we need further discussion. Best wishes, Rhea Rhea K. Lesage Head and Bibliographer for Modern Greek Modern Greek Section Collection Development Department Widener Library Harvard College Library Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)495-3632 FAX (617)496-8704 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/pipermail/cohsl-list/attachments/20100224/12f3… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:57:27 -0500 From: "Harold Mciver Leich" <hlei(a)loc.gov> Subject: Re: [Cohsl-list] FW: Greek transliteration To: "listserv for the Consortium of Hellenic Studies Librarians" <cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu> Cc: Alison Scott <scott3(a)fas.harvard.edu>, Dan Hazen <dchazen(a)fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <4B84E9F7020000B700085BF8(a)ntgwgate.loc.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I -- who am at LC! -- never heard about these changes. I'll check around further, though, since I don't do cataloging. The long-time Modern Greek descriptive cataloger has just retired (as of Jan.1) and it is unclear at this point who will be doing the cataloging of current Modern Greek publications. I'll report back on what I find out. Best to all, Harry >>> "Lesage, Rhea" <karabel(a)fas.harvard.edu> 2/24/2010 8:50 AM >>> All, this is the message that I wrote to Bob Hiatt from LC in Dec. 2008. He was in touch at that time asking my feedback on proposed tables, which confused transcription with transliteration. He also brought up the issue of the rough breathing, for which I offered a solution. I bolded the part of the message in which I suggested that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and Modern Greek Studies communities. I never got a reply from him, but it seems that he went ahead and implemented the change that now appears on the LC website. I would like to know if ANYONE heard about these supposed "2009 changes" before yesterday. Please respond to this list! --Rhea From: Lesage, Rhea Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:09 PM To: Lesage, Rhea Subject: FW: Greek transliteration From: Rhea Karabelas Lesage [mailto:karabel@fas.harvard.edu] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:04 PM To: Robert Miller Hiatt Cc: Rhea Karabelas Lesage Subject: Greek transliteration Hi, Bob: Thank you for getting in touch about changes to the Greek tables, and for returning my call to discuss this over the phone. I wanted to give you my feedback and suggestions as a follow-up. First of all, we agree that respecting the "h" for the rough breathing mark that is no longer there, no longer seems to make sense and continues to be an out-dated practice. This system, however archaic as it may seem, is something we all seem to manage--there is a finite group of words that require the rough breathing. If it would help we could compile a list as an addendum to the existing tables. It should also be noted that there are still many modern Greek authors who intentionally write using polytonic Greek (which includes the rough breathing). Whatever decision is made we need to allow for this practice and prescribe how catalogers should handle it. My feedback on proposed tables: * I think teasing out the Ancient and Medieval tables is appropriate, as well as giving Coptic its own table. * The proposed table for Modern Greek (after 1453) appears to be taken from the ISO 843 1997 TR (transcription) and not from the ISO 843 TL (transliteration) table with a couple of exceptions: the I with a macron over it to represent eta and the O with the macron over it to represent omega. While the transcription table does an excellent job representing Greek as it sounds, it would require that the cataloger not just have a basic knowledge of modern Greek, but rather would require a high level of proficiency in the language. Even I, a proficient Greek speaker would need to constantly refer to the tables as I catalog. Of all our peer institutions, my cataloger is the only native Greek speaker. Our goal should be to simplify rather than to complicate. I think we should be thinking more in terms of how to take the existing tables, and work with the person whom I recommended at the University of Crete, Yannis Kosmas, who is confident that he could write a program that would r espect the tables as they are now, and could do automated conversion to the roman script from the Greek. Most ILSs are now able to handle the various scripts and are actually cataloging in the vernacular. We are accepting copy but not doing original for the mere fact that the parallel fields will take more time that we cannot spare. If we could import Greek records and then press a button to create parallel transliterated fields this would be ideal. * Absent this possibility, and only if there is *truly* a need to change the table, I would suggest that we open the discussion up to the cataloging and modern Greek studies communities, and determine whether it makes sense to use the ISO 843 1997 TL table (not the TR). This will provide a letter to letter correspondence, for ease of automated reversal, but does not represent how the language sounds. I am not sure how the community would react to this proposal, but my guess is that they may support it if it complies to international standards. For the comparison of the ISO 843 TR and TL tables, I refer you to to Thomas T. Pedersen's transliteration web site, and specifically to his Greek tables where he compares various schemes: http://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Greek.pdf I hope this summarizes what we discussed and please let me know if you have any questions or if we need further discussion. Best wishes, Rhea Rhea K. Lesage Head and Bibliographer for Modern Greek Modern Greek Section Collection Development Department Widener Library Harvard College Library Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)495-3632 FAX (617)496-8704 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CoHSL-list mailing list CoHSL-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/cohsl-list End of CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 11 ******************************************

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Guide to Distributed Digital Preservation

by KALAMOS BOOKS

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Greek script diacritics in OCLC records

by Robert Rendall

Colleagues - I am serving on the PCC Task Force on Non-Latin Script Cataloging Documentation. This group has been charged with producing "authoritative and comprehensive documentation on providing equivalent fields in non-Latin scripts that provides for consistent application across available scripts." We are aware that in most records with Greek script currently in OCLC, the diacritics that normally appear in Greek text are omitted. We have also been told that is it technically possible to enter Greek script with appropriate diacritics in OCLC by using the same MARC-8 combining diacritics used by catalogers in OCLC for Latin script (see for example the contents notes in OCLC record #428012280 for Progymnasmata quae exstant omnia, with Greek script added by Brigham Young University; this record passes OCLC validation). The two diacritics needed for contemporary, post-1982 modern Greek orthography can be entered reasonably easily in OCLC using the "Enter Diacritics and Special Characters" menu. All the other diacritics needed for pre-1982 and classical Greek can also be entered, but some are not available from this menu in OCLC, and special keystroke combinations need to be set up to produce them. Entering valid combining diacritics in local systems before uploading records to OCLC might present further complications. All of this is quite different from the way Greek is usually entered and encoded in other contexts on the Web, I think, and text with diacritics produced by other methods cannot be copied into OCLC records. The CoHSL list is the only place where I have found any discussion of Greek diacritics in OCLC records (in a few messages from 2007). My group will be recommending standards to be followed by the Library of Congress and other participants in the Program for Cooperative Cataloging. I would welcome any comments on whether we should recommend that entering Greek diacritics should be encouraged or required for items in post- and/or pre-1982 orthography, given that they would have to be input as described above. I would particularly like to hear from any catalogers in other libraries currently entering Greek script in bibliographic records. Please forward this message as appropriate. Thank you, Robert Rendall -- Robert Rendall Principal Serials Cataloger Original and Special Materials Cataloging, Columbia University Libraries 102 Butler Library, 535 West 114th Street, New York, NY 10027 tel.: 212 851 2449 fax: 212 854 5167

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General Interest: E-libraries again

by KALAMOS BOOKS

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RBMS registration

by KALAMOS BOOKS

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie(a)folger.edu> Date: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM Subject: [EXLIBRIS-L] RBMS registration To: EXLIBRIS-L(a)listserv.indiana.edu I have heard from a number of people (I include myself in this number) who got error messages when trying to register for the RBMS preconference. http://rbms.info/conferences/preconferences/2010/index.shtml Someone at ALA told Ron Lieberman (who had the good sense to call them about the problem) that one needed to tab through the entries, not click your mouse. Another person had trouble with Google Chrome but not with Firefox. Neither of those tips account for all the failures, but worth trying if first attempts don't succeed. I would be happy to hear from anyone who has had trouble, regardless of whether or not you've been ultimately successful. Please reply to me privately, djleslie(a)folger.edu, NOT to the list. __________________________________________ Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. RBMS chair 2009-2010 | Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library 201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 | 202.675-0369 (phone) 202.675-0328 (fax) | djleslie(a)folger.edu |www.folger.edu -- June Samaras KALAMOS BOOKS (For Books about Greece) 2020 Old Station Rd Streetsville,Ontario Canada L5M 2V1 Tel : 905-542-1877 E-mail : kalamosbooks(a)gmail.com www.kalamosbooks.com

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"Join or Die. Collaboration in Special Collections"

by KALAMOS BOOKS

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie(a)folger.edu> Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM Registration and housing for the RBMS 2010 Preconference are now open! "Join or Die. Collaboration in Special Collections" will be held Tuesday-Friday, June 22-25, 2010, in Philadelphia. In addition to three plenary sessions, each focusing on a different type of collaboration in special collections, there will be plenty of seminars, case studies, and discussion sessions to educate, provoke, and delight. Three full-day workshops are offered on Tuesday, as will a conference orientation and introduction to RBMS, an opening reception, and the popular ABAA Booksellers' Showcase. The Philadelphia Area Consortium of Special Collections Libraries (PACSCL) is handling local arrangements, and they've pulled out all the stops in arranging tours, receptions (including hosting us for a special reception at the Union League of Philadelphia), Restaurant Night, and especially for us, a Book Arts Open House and Reception at the University of the Arts. The online and paper registration forms are available under the registration tab on the preconference website at http://rbms.info/conferences/preconferences/2010/index.shtml. The Doubletree Hotel Philadelphia will serve as the official preconference hotel; the discounted group rate is available on a first-come-first-served basis. Please see http://rbms.info/conferences/preconferences/2010/accommodations.shtml for details. Scholarships are available for first-time attendance of library, archive, and museum professionals and students, and--this year for the first time--to qualified support staff, with particular consideration given to applicants from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups. We ask for everyone's help in spreading the news to staff in your home institutions by forwarding this email. Much more information is available on the preconference website <http://rbms.info/conferences/preconferences/2010/index.shtml> , and more details will be added as we get closer to June. Two preconferences in the last three years have sold out, and we wouldn't be surprised if workshops and tours fill up, too, so it's best not to dawdle. See you in Philadelphia! __________________________________________ Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. RBMS chair 2009-2010 | Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library 201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 | 202.675-0369 (phone) 202.675-0328 (fax) | djleslie(a)folger.edu |www.folger.edu

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Neos Kosmos

by Rhea Karabelas Lesage

Greetings all, I am trying to track down what is considered to be the the first Greek newspaper in America was published in Boston/Cambridge in 1892. Its name was Neos Kosmos and its publisher was an MIT student (1891-96, class of 1899) named Constantine Dimitrios Phassoularides. (Apparently he had worked as a journalist in the Istanbul/Constantinople newspaper named Neologos.) MIT has registration records for those years, but there is no reference to a degree being awarded to him or to his newspaper. None of the Boston area libraries or historical societies has a copy of the newspaper. Can anyone help? Many thanks! Rhea -- Rhea K. Lesage Head and Bibliographer for Modern Greek Modern Greek Section Collection Development Department Widener Library Harvard College Library Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)495-3632 FAX (617)496-8704

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Re: [Cohsl-list] Greek diacritics in cataloging records

by Paganelis, George I

Dear Robert, I feel that for pre-1982 (and Classical Greek) orthography, the inclusion of diacritics would be cumbersome and onerous, but am in favor of adding diacritics for post-1982 records. However, I am also aware of the diminishing resources of cataloging departments charged with doing the work as well as catalogers' varying degrees of knowledge of Modern Greek, which would come into play with titles in all capital letters, as previously noted, or artistic/poetic works in which the title appears in a calligraphic or other stylized script. Best, George I. Paganelis ----------------------- George I. Paganelis Curator, Tsakopoulos Hellenic Collection University Library California State University, Sacramento 2000 State University Drive East Sacramento, CA 95819-6039 Ph: (916) 278-4361 * Fax: (916) 278-5917 paganelis(a)csus.edu http://www.library.csus.edu/tsakopoulos -----Original Message----- From: cohsl-list-bounces(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu [mailto:cohsl-list-bounces@lists.fas.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:00 AM To: cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu Subject: CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Send CoHSL-list mailing list submissions to cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/cohsl-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu You can reach the person managing the list at cohsl-list-owner(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoHSL-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1 (Gisela Kam) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:52:09 -0500 From: Gisela Kam <gkam(a)princeton.edu> Subject: Re: [Cohsl-list] CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1 To: cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu Message-ID: <4B699BA9.9060408(a)princeton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Mr. Rendall, chairetismos apo Princeton. The consensus at Princeton among catalogers and division head is the in-putting of diacritics, particularly for pre-1982 and classical Greek would add considerably to the work at hand. Other than producing a truer, and more pleasing representation of the written text, the omission of diacritics would not detract from the validity of the catalog record. I suppose the larger question to PCC would be what is to be gained by in-putting the various diacritics? Given the circuitous methods needed to in-put the diacritics, the present work loads and staff reductions, Princeton agrees with Yale and Harvard that the addition of all diacritics would be onerous. Thank you for writing, Gisela Kam Mod. Grk. & Rom. Lngs. Cataloger Firestone Library Princeton University cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu wrote: > Send CoHSL-list mailing list submissions to > cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/cohsl-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cohsl-list-request(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cohsl-list-owner(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CoHSL-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Greek script diacritics in OCLC records (Robert Rendall) > 2. Eco Lending Library (KALAMOS BOOKS) > 3. Eco Lending Library (KALAMOS BOOKS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:43:15 -0500 > From: Robert Rendall <rr2205(a)columbia.edu> > Subject: [Cohsl-list] Greek script diacritics in OCLC records > To: cohsl-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu > Cc: Peter Fletcher <pfletcher(a)library.ucla.edu>, David W Reser > <dres(a)loc.gov>, Polyxeni Georgiadi <pg2032(a)columbia.edu>, Robert > Maxwell <robert_maxwell(a)byu.edu> > Message-ID: <4B672ED3.6050508(a)columbia.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Colleagues - > > I am serving on the PCC Task Force on Non-Latin Script Cataloging > Documentation. This group has been charged with producing > "authoritative and comprehensive documentation on providing equivalent > fields in non-Latin scripts that provides for consistent application > across available scripts." > > We are aware that in most records with Greek script currently in OCLC, > the diacritics that normally appear in Greek text are omitted. We have > also been told that is it technically possible to enter Greek script > with appropriate diacritics in OCLC by using the same MARC-8 combining > diacritics used by catalogers in OCLC for Latin script (see for example > the contents notes in OCLC record #428012280 for Progymnasmata quae > exstant omnia, with Greek script added by Brigham Young University; this > record passes OCLC validation). > > The two diacritics needed for contemporary, post-1982 modern Greek > orthography can be entered reasonably easily in OCLC using the "Enter > Diacritics and Special Characters" menu. All the other diacritics > needed for pre-1982 and classical Greek can also be entered, but some > are not available from this menu in OCLC, and special keystroke > combinations need to be set up to produce them. Entering valid > combining diacritics in local systems before uploading records to OCLC > might present further complications. > > All of this is quite different from the way Greek is usually entered and > encoded in other contexts on the Web, I think, and text with diacritics > produced by other methods cannot be copied into OCLC records. > > The CoHSL list is the only place where I have found any discussion of > Greek diacritics in OCLC records (in a few messages from 2007). My > group will be recommending standards to be followed by the Library of > Congress and other participants in the Program for Cooperative > Cataloging. I would welcome any comments on whether we should recommend > that entering Greek diacritics should be encouraged or required for > items in post- and/or pre-1982 orthography, given that they would have > to be input as described above. > > I would particularly like to hear from any catalogers in other libraries > currently entering Greek script in bibliographic records. Please > forward this message as appropriate. > > Thank you, > > Robert Rendall > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CoHSL-list mailing list CoHSL-list(a)lists.fas.harvard.edu http://lists.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/cohsl-list End of CoHSL-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 *****************************************

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